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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:46 am

Russo_Turisto wrote:but slightly more mature and with less happy-go-lucky feel (*cough*Kirari*Cough*). DEARDROPS seems to be exactly that.


Did we play the same Kirari route in Kira Kira? Because in the version I played, Kirari's father attempted to kill himself and the family by setting fire to the house. Kirari went back inside to get the microphone, got horribly burnt and then died. Then she returned later, only it turned out that this was only a delusion of the protagonist's, who had so far failed to accept her death. And you want Dear Drops to be less happy-go-lucky than THAT?

Kira Kira ranks in somewhere among the top ten most depressing eroges I've played and by all accounts Dear Drops doesn't seem to have anything like that. Actually, that's one of the reasons I haven't bothered playing Dear Drops yet =p
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Mazyrian » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:35 am

Out of curiosity, what would be the other nine?
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:57 am

I don't have a list, I just think it probably would be. Things that immediately come to mind, though:
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
Pandora no Yume
Aster
Yukiuta
White Album 2 (still haven't quite finished it but I already think it qualifies, aaargh)
Natsuyume Nagisa
Moshimo Ashita ga Hare Naraba
SWAN SONG
Mugen Kairou 2

I'm sure I could come up with several more than that if I thought about it.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby LIGHTDX » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:43 am

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Russo_Turisto wrote:but slightly more mature and with less happy-go-lucky feel (*cough*Kirari*Cough*). DEARDROPS seems to be exactly that.


Did we play the same Kirari route in Kira Kira? Because in the version I played, Kirari's father attempted to kill himself and the family by setting fire to the house. Kirari went back inside to get the microphone, got horribly burnt and then died. Then she returned later, only it turned out that this was only a delusion of the protagonist's, who had so far failed to accept her death. And you want Dear Drops to be less happy-go-lucky than THAT?

Kira Kira ranks in somewhere among the top ten most depressing eroges I've played and by all accounts Dear Drops doesn't seem to have anything like that. Actually, that's one of the reasons I haven't bothered playing Dear Drops yet =p


First things. Russo_Turisto didn't say that he has completed the game with all the rutes. He just say that he feeled a Happy-go-lucky feel from kirari. So far i know Kirari has two endings, It should be the first one. But anyway, having the game doesn't mean you'll complete all the rutes. If you don't like some character then you may not look her rute or you could leave it to the end. Maybe that end is dreepresing, but if you don't check her rute or if you only played the trial vercion you may think that all abouth her is just like Russo thought.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Russo_Turisto » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:41 am

I meant the character of Kirari, not her route. And she's alive in the True End, so yeah. Other than Kirari's non-True end, KIRAKIRA is not really depressing to me. I get more depressed playing nukige (though maybe partially because I don't like nukige :lol: ).

What I actually meant is that KIRAKIRA is about schoolgirls (and boys) who want to be musicians all of a sudden. DEARDROPS is about musicians, some of which just happen to be schoolgirls. That makes it more mature and less... well, childish. :P
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Guest » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:02 pm

Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions? Kirari's normal ending was what Kira Kira was all about. Myself, I hated Kirari's character. That's why Kira Kira is my favorite VN. It actually managed to make me depressed for the loss of a character I was initially relieved to see removed.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Mazyrian » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:01 pm

Guest wrote:Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions? Kirari's normal ending was what Kira Kira was all about. Myself, I hated Kirari's character. That's why Kira Kira is my favorite VN. It actually managed to make me depressed for the loss of a character I was initially relieved to see removed.


I agree that most of the value of Kira Kira is in Kirari's normal end
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby LIGHTDX » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:14 pm

Guest wrote:Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions?


Not always.Often the good ending is the happy versión. Look to fate. UBW true ending was with just Rin, but in the good ending somehow you ended with saber too that why is good.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Kouryuu » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:12 pm

Guest wrote:Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions?

Because if you kill off the main heroine, you can't make fan-discs and sequels and other off-shoots.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:36 pm

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Guest wrote:Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions?

Because if you kill off the main heroine, you can't make fan-discs and sequels and other off-shoots.

Sure you can (link)
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby fujifruit » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:19 am

Lancer-X wrote:
Kouryuu wrote:
Guest wrote:Well, True End, my ass. Why do True Ends have to always be the happier versions?

Because if you kill off the main heroine, you can't make fan-discs and sequels and other off-shoots.

Sure you can (link)

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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby michelous » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:19 pm

lots of announcements http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2012/02 ... -katsucon/
Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru
Magical Teacher
koihime muso physical release with full voice
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby fujifruit » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:00 pm

michelous wrote:lots of announcements http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2012/02 ... -katsucon/
Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru
Magical Teacher
koihime muso physical release with full voice


Why even bother with titles like this?
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby michelous » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:02 pm

Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru interests me
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Russo_Turisto » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:03 pm

Screw all that, DEARDROPS got a release date!!!!!111!
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lipp » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:59 pm

fujifruit wrote:
michelous wrote:lots of announcements http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2012/02 ... -katsucon/
Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru
Magical Teacher
koihime muso physical release with full voice


Why even bother with titles like this?


Generally they're cheaper to license, translate and release which means they need less sales to break even.
Selling 500 copies of a game to make a profit is far easier then selling 2000 copies to make a profit.

According to JAST too (Not sure if it applies for MG), sex-fest titles generally sell more then story based.
X-change 1 = Most sales for an English eroge
The Sagara Family = Most profit for an English eroge
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Nandemonai » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:52 am

That XC1 statistic was true, but it's several years old. (If i remember correctly, one of PP's releases was announced as being the highest-ever seller, then it was retracted with a statement that XC1's lifetime sales still beat it - but it was selling much more rapidly. I think that game was Brave Soul.) I doubt it's true anymore. And even if it were, XC1 has been purchaseable in physical or download format for ... a few weeks shy of twelve years, apparently. With no interruption. It's also FAR cheaper than Jast's new releases at this point - hell, they want $11.95 for it now.

I'm curious where the Sagara Family stat came from, though ... But in general,yeah, from what Peter has said, yarugee's consistently outsold story-centric games. (I hope Demonbane bucks the trend, and i really hope Aselier does.) As for MG, I follow MG's "top 5" chart: it's dominated by h-centric titles. Granted, the most recent couple of games have been h-centric, and the listings should be dominated by recent games. But so is Kara no Shoujo, and it's not up there much at all.

However, Score (the brand) seems to be one of the heavy backers behind Mangagamer. There have been several Score branded games released, one of them even in the initial batch of releases. So I think there's more or less always going to be a new Score title in the works for MangaGamer, it's only a question of which one. Sort of like how there's always going to be a Da Capo game in MG's release pipeline somewhere, it's just a question of which fandisc.

Edit: OK, Score is a Nexton brand. However, of the Nexton brands, Score has the highest number of games released. So basically, what Lipp said - they're cheaper and easier to do - combined with the fact that they have easy access to Score because Nexton is one of the drivers behind MG.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Guest » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:15 pm

I bought XC1 for 7 or 8 dollars, actually. Could have been a limited time offer.

I'm curious where the Sagara Family stat came from, though

There's an ad at J-list, that shows up often enough, which claims that Sagara Family is "The best selling Dating Sim of all time" or something like that. I haven't seen it for the last 3 months or so, though.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:56 pm

Guest wrote:There's an ad at J-list, that shows up often enough, which claims that Sagara Family is "The best selling Dating Sim of all time" or something like that. I haven't seen it for the last 3 months or so, though.


I'm assuming Tokimeki Memorial is excluded from that calculation =P
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Nandemonai » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:29 am

Well, there's also the fact that Sagara Family isn't really a dating sim. So the ad is bogus in at least two different ways :)

I mean, it's clear enough what Peter meant - it's the best-selling H-game in English. But it's surprisingly wrong :)
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby LIGHTDX » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:08 pm

Althought i like eroges with a good store. Nukiges are fine, I'm not too much interested but i still wait and i enjoy them. Thanks to "we love master!" and looking to the games i have bought I found that i like nukiges more than i thought in first place. I belive that most of the poeploe who buy nukiges have in mind that they prefere eroges with good story but only a few sex scenes. Still they usualy are more interested in Nukiges that they think and because those game are cheaper they are more willing to buy them so it sell better and it also make more proficits too because it cost less to the company. Sells and polls seem to give me reason. Althouht my insteres is in Harukoi Otome, deardrops, I'll still buy nukiges like "Eroge" and Magical teacher.-
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Russo_Turisto » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:28 am

Personally, I would only buy nukige if the art is exceptionally good. I don't really believe that I should buy nukige to support JAST or MG, and I don't want to take part in encouraging them to translate more cheap nukige. It's a drop in the ocean for sure, but I make it a personal point by only buying story-driven games with a few exceptions.

That being said, I bought Koihime Musou twice, so what do I know?
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:51 am

Eroge! is probably worth getting beyond the nukige factor, really, it's a good title.

Not saying the story is necessarily exceptional but I enjoyed the heck out of it and I don't like nukige at all. Not sure if people still care about EGS results but Eroge! has 80% and was Clockup's highest rated game until Euphoria. That's the same score as Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru*, although they're obviously drastically different games =p

*I liked Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru but it has some pretty huge problems on diverting from the main route. Clearing it is painful to do and feels like a waste of time. Most of the individual routes are so bad I'd say the game is a waste of time if it didn't have such a good main route. The sequel, Futari no Elder, is a pretty drastic improvement over the original but still suffers from many of the same flaws.

Mind, if Caramel Box is the way MangaGamer is headed now, I'm sad they skipped Meguri, Hitohira - but I can see how picking a title with an animated adaptation is the smarter thing to do.
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Nandemonai » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:34 am

Russo_Turisto wrote:Personally, I would only buy nukige if the art is exceptionally good. I don't really believe that I should buy nukige to support JAST or MG, and I don't want to take part in encouraging them to translate more cheap nukige. It's a drop in the ocean for sure, but I make it a personal point by only buying story-driven games with a few exceptions.

That being said, I bought Koihime Musou twice, so what do I know?


Koihime has tons (and tons, and then some more :D ) of H, but it's not really a nukige. It's got a strong nukige component - it's much more of a nukige than (say) Crescendo or Demonbane - but there's also a strong story component. The main reason there's a ton of H is that there's just a ton of content there in general. The difference between (say) Cosplay Alien or Hitozuma Wife's Club is that most of the H in Koihime isn't even accessible until say 25% of the way through a very long game (since you have to visit most of the girls quite a few times before you sleep with them).
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Re: Large update about future releases from MangaGamer

Postby Lancer-X » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:54 am

Nandemonai wrote:Koihime has tons (and tons, and then some more :D ) of H, but it's not really a nukige. It's got a strong nukige component - it's much more of a nukige than (say) Crescendo or Demonbane - but there's also a strong story component. The main reason there's a ton of H is that there's just a ton of content there in general. The difference between (say) Cosplay Alien or Hitozuma Wife's Club is that most of the H in Koihime isn't even accessible until say 25% of the way through a very long game (since you have to visit most of the girls quite a few times before you sleep with them).


Plus, it's also a question of how the ero is approached rather than just the quantity of it. Koihime Musou may have a lot of H scenes but they're pretty plain scenes in general. Compare that to, say, the typical scenes you get in Atelier Kaguya eroges which are quite long and very gratuitous.

(mind, it's also not a matter of how long the H scenes are. By far the longest single H scene I've seen in any eroge, including eroges that are basically just one long H scene themselves, is in Garden and you'd be insane to call that a nukige =p)
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